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Resurgence is NOT Vitalum Vitalis

  • BadlyBruisedMuse
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    08:37, January 27, 2014

    In the episode The Sacred Taking, Myrtle says that "Resurrection is greater than any of the tests of the Seven Wonders" after she sees Cordelia in the greenhouse for the first time after being brought back to life by Misty.

    Maybe Vitalum Vitalis is simply healing people?

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    • 173.3.184.249 wrote:
      In the episode The Sacred Taking, Myrtle says that "Resurrection is greater than any of the tests of the Seven Wonders" after she sees Cordelia in the greenhouse for the first time after being brought back to life by Misty.

      Maybe Vitalum Vitalis is simply healing people?

      I agreed the resurgence are more powerfull, and uncommon ability

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    • It's clearly not the same, Misty doesn't get old every time she uses resurgence, plus we don't know wether Vitalum Vitalis can bring back dead people, all we've seen is it can make a witch younger but the user gets older.

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    • Vitalum Vitalus is the balancing of life force between two beings. Fiona used it first on the doctor (when she killed him), then the stillborn baby and Queenie. She took the doctor's life force making her temporarily appear younger. When she brought the baby and Queeenie back to life, some of the life flowed out of her (because in both scenarios, she was pretty sure she was as good as dead anyway).

      So people can be resurrected with Vitalum Vitalis, but at the cost of losing some of one's own life force. Resurgence can be used without the consequence of sacrificing one's own life force, but it seems to be a rare trait.

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    • the resurgence is a very very special talent.... give life to others animals and humans and auto resurrection for oneself.  

      is ability uncommon between witches inclusive for the supreme

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    • 12.53.214.71 wrote: Vitalum Vitalus is the balancing of life force between two beings. Fiona used it first on the doctor (when she killed him), then the stillborn baby and Queenie. She took the doctor's life force making her temporarily appear younger. When she brought the baby and Queeenie back to life, some of the life flowed out of her (because in both scenarios, she was pretty sure she was as good as dead anyway).

      So people can be resurrected with Vitalum Vitalis, but at the cost of losing some of one's own life force. Resurgence can be used without the consequence of sacrificing one's own life force, but it seems to be a rare trait.

      ^^ Accurate. Although I thought Fiona used resurgence to resurrect the baby because Vitalum Vitalus requires breathing/sucking the life forces orally.

      And there's no healing in Vitalum Vitalus, Queenie still was wounded by the Minotaur after Fiona gave some of her life force to save her. She was on bed rest and barely able to walk.

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    • Kai200995 wrote:

      12.53.214.71 wrote: Vitalum Vitalus is the balancing of life force between two beings. Fiona used it first on the doctor (when she killed him), then the stillborn baby and Queenie. She took the doctor's life force making her temporarily appear younger. When she brought the baby and Queeenie back to life, some of the life flowed out of her (because in both scenarios, she was pretty sure she was as good as dead anyway).

      So people can be resurrected with Vitalum Vitalis, but at the cost of losing some of one's own life force. Resurgence can be used without the consequence of sacrificing one's own life force, but it seems to be a rare trait.

      ^^ Accurate. Although I thought Fiona used resurgence to resurrect the baby because Vitalum Vitalus requires breathing/sucking the life forces orally.

      And there's no healing in Vitalum Vitalus, Queenie still was wounded by the Minotaur after Fiona gave some of her life force to save her. She was on bed rest and barely able to walk.

      You are right about the baby. I just assumed that's what she did, but I didn't recall her breathing life into it. And I agree with you on the healing thing as well.

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    • Vitalum Vitalis looks like, to me, being able to give some of your life force to others. Like when Queenie was attacked by the Minotaur, Fiona performed this power and you can tell it took somewhat of a toll on her to do so. So you lose some of your life force when you give it to others, hence "balancing scales" metaphor.

      Theory: I also think that in the first episode when Fiona was in her hotel room and the guy from that company that was making the medicine confronted her she "drained" his life force is also Vitalum Vitalis. Even though it didn't last in her, it still seemed like the same concept. Just a theory though.

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    • I agree with the argument that Resurgence and Viatum Vitalis are two different things. One requires the transfer and sharing of lifeforce while the other does not.

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    • Myrtle already confirmed that they are not the same thing in the Sacred Taking when she stated that Resurgence is harder to perform than any of the Seven Wonders. 

      /Thread. 

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    • Vitalum Vitalis is the ability to balance and tip the scales of life and death. What this means is that to give life, you have to take in some death. When it displayed Vitalum Vitalis, the supreme ressurected that dead woman but in turn suffered wounds and aging in her hands. Respectively, when Fiona drained the man of life in episode 1, she momentarily recieved temporary youth and beauty. 


      Resurgence however is simply necromancy, or the ability to strictly ressurect the dead. I think they are separate powers as well. A resurgant can ressurect both recently AND people who have long since been dead (like Madison, who was dead for weeks) without any negative repurcussions to themselves. Vitalum Vitalis can probably only be like a breath of life into the RECENTLY dead, and if you notice, everytime Fiona breathed life into a dead person, she always seemed weakly and fatigued afterwards.

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    • 69.255.252.7 wrote:
      Vitalum Vitalis is the ability to balance and tip the scales of life and death. What this means is that to give life, you have to take in some death. When it displayed Vitalum Vitalis, the supreme ressurected that dead woman but in turn suffered wounds and aging in her hands. Respectively, when Fiona drained the man of life in episode 1, she momentarily recieved temporary youth and beauty. 


      Resurgence however is simply necromancy, or the ability to strictly ressurect the dead. I think they are separate powers as well. A resurgant can ressurect both recently AND people who have long since been dead (like Madison, who was dead for weeks) without any negative repurcussions to themselves. Vitalum Vitalis can probably only be like a breath of life into the RECENTLY dead, and if you notice, everytime Fiona breathed life into a dead person, she always seemed weakly and fatigued afterwards.

      Resurgence and Necromancy are not the same. 

      Necromancy is not the ability to resurrect the dead. It is the ability to reanimate it. I.e Marie reanimating dead corpse who do her bidding, but are still dead. 

      Resurgence is Resurrection. It is the power to bring someone back to life. They are not undead, or zombies, they are living entities totally recovered from death with their personality and autonomy in tact. 

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    • Fiona resurrected the baby but she didn't use Vitalum Vitalis because that's not what this "wonder" does. The baby was stillborn, you know what that means? It was DEAD. On the other heand, Queenie wasn't dead yet, she just stopped breathing.

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    • Has everyone forgotten when Misty collapsed after she revivied Joan?

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    • It is also pausible that Resurgence is a form of Vitalum Vitalis. According to Myrtle, the act of resurrection is a task greater than any of the test of the seven wonders. However, it should be noted that some tests such as telekinesis and trasmutation seem quite simple. Furthermore, in theory, bringing something back to life is more difficult than the transfer of energy. But, this does not mean the two are exclusive. In regards to gestures, the show has been quite liberal... Queenie resurrected Misty with "breath", Madison resurrected a man without contact and Zoe resurrected the homeless man with "touch."   In the instance of Zoe and Queenie, both girls thought of the wonder of Vitalum Vitalis while resurrecting. Therefore, It seems that Fiona's "life drain" and Resurgence are both part of Vitalum Vitalis.  

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    • and misty also collapsed when she ressurected the bird in the first episode.

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    • i believe that Vitalum Vitalis is just as powerful as resurgence and more versatile! Fiona used it to drain the life out of the doctor in the first episode and shortly restore her youthful appearance. Then she used it again on queenie and the still born baby. I think the reason why queenie was still wounded after Fiona healed her because Fiona at that point was losing her powers! And if Vitalum Vitalis is a seven wonder which i'm guessing are suppose to be the most powerful witch abilites on the show, then it should be counted more powerful than resurgence. The limitation of giving away the users life force is inplaced to keep them from resurrecting any and everybody. Also I think the effects the user experiences after healing someone is temporarly like when we see that one witch perform the seven wonders and she uses Vitalum Vitalis on the old witch and her hands get older, in the next scene when she tries to perform pyrokinesis, her hands are young again!

      Resurgence just allows the user to restore life to animals and peoples. Misty needed help from zoey to bring back madison. And the user can heal themselves but i dont know if that is a one time thing because Misty was revived by queenie and not by the effects of her resurgence power.

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    • I don't think they're the same, mainly because on "Go to Hell" the witch in the beginning's hands aged, and misty didn't age at all when she brought madison/kyle/myrtle back. 

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    • The two are not the same. There is no more need for speculation. Myrtle Snow already established that resurgence is a gift more difficult than any of the seven wonders. 

      /Thread.

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