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  • Okay so other than being totally angry, disgusted, and sad about the mass murder at Marie's shop (which came off a little on the racist side for me) I have a question. Both Marie and Misty are called necromancers on the show at somepoint in time. Marie controls the dead while Misty simply brings them back and makes them Undead. Techincally I wouldn't say either of them brings people fully back to life because Zoe can do it with Kyle which implies that Kyle and everyone else brought back is simply Undead or reanimated. My question: Can Marie bring all the people who died in her shop back to life? Thoughts?

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    • Ok to address you first comment about it coming off as racist. This season theme, one of them, is racism. I'm not going to say that Hank being white, was supposed to symbolize something in this case, nor do I understand why it would have been better if he was any other race, but what I will say is that the commentary on social disparity is on purpose, and it's for a reason. 

      Marie is called a Necromancer. 

      Misty is not - she has the power to bring people back to life she has not displayed the power to reanimate the dead and use them like puppets. 

      And that's a distinction. Necromancy is not the power to bring people back to life, it is the power to reanimate the dead, who are while being animated still dead, but are magically under the control of the Necromancer. 

      Resurrection, or resurgence, as the show calls it is the power to bring someone back to life and is not simply reanimating them and turning them into Puppets. 

      Marie has not been shown to have the ability to use resurgence, she has only been shown to use Necromancy which means as far as we know she can not resurrect anyone from her salon. 

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    • Marie Laveau its not exactly a Necromancer, she channelized the "talismans" of dead people to raised them by her command like some kind of Zombies, also she had to attach the Bull's Head to Bastian in order to bring him back to life.

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    • BadlyBruisedMuse wrote:
      Ok to address you first comment about it coming off as racist. This season theme, one of them, is racism. I'm not going to say that Hank being white, was supposed to symbolize something in this case, nor do I understand why it would have been better if he was any other race, but what I will say is that the commentary on social disparity is on purpose, and it's for a reason. 

      Marie is called a Necromancer. 

      Misty is not - she has the power to bring people back to life she has not displayed the power to reanimate the dead and use them like puppets. 

      And that's a distinction. Necromancy is not the power to bring people back to life, it is the power to reanimate the dead, who are while being animated still dead, but are magically under the control of the Necromancer. 

      Resurrection, or resurgence, as the show calls it is the power to bring someone back to life and is not simply reanimating them and turning them into Puppets. 

      Marie has not been shown to have the ability to use resurgence, she has only been shown to use Necromancy which means as far as we know she can not resurrect anyone from her salon. 

      Now that i read, thanks for the definition of both terms, necromancy and resurgence.

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    • Yeah, thank you BadlyBruisedMuse. I'll keep in mind to not refering Misty Day as a "necromancer" anymore. 

      Anyway, the theme of this season IS racism. But I still think that Marie had it coming. She was the one who broke the truce after all. As for Hank, I think he'd pull the same thing to anyone who push his button like that, not because of their skin colour. 

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    • BadlyBruisedMuse wrote:
      Ok to address you first comment about it coming off as racist. This season theme, one of them, is racism. I'm not going to say that Hank being white, was supposed to symbolize something in this case, nor do I understand why it would have been better if he was any other race, but what I will say is that the commentary on social disparity is on purpose, and it's for a reason. 

      Marie is called a Necromancer. 

      Misty is not - she has the power to bring people back to life she has not displayed the power to reanimate the dead and use them like puppets. 

      And that's a distinction. Necromancy is not the power to bring people back to life, it is the power to reanimate the dead, who are while being animated still dead, but are magically under the control of the Necromancer. 

      Resurrection, or resurgence, as the show calls it is the power to bring someone back to life and is not simply reanimating them and turning them into Puppets. 

      Marie has not been shown to have the ability to use resurgence, she has only been shown to use Necromancy which means as far as we know she can not resurrect anyone from her salon. 

      But Misty doesn't bring people back to life. Kyle and everyone else brought back is undead. If Misty actually broke people back truly alive then Zoe would have killed Kyle when she has sex with him.


      Marie controls the undead while Misty doesn't, isn't that the difference? People by Marie and Misty are simply reanimated corpses/cadavers correct?

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    • 160.10.220.41 wrote:
      BadlyBruisedMuse wrote:
      Ok to address you first comment about it coming off as racist. This season theme, one of them, is racism. I'm not going to say that Hank being white, was supposed to symbolize something in this case, nor do I understand why it would have been better if he was any other race, but what I will say is that the commentary on social disparity is on purpose, and it's for a reason. 

      Marie is called a Necromancer. 

      Misty is not - she has the power to bring people back to life she has not displayed the power to reanimate the dead and use them like puppets. 

      And that's a distinction. Necromancy is not the power to bring people back to life, it is the power to reanimate the dead, who are while being animated still dead, but are magically under the control of the Necromancer. 

      Resurrection, or resurgence, as the show calls it is the power to bring someone back to life and is not simply reanimating them and turning them into Puppets. 

      Marie has not been shown to have the ability to use resurgence, she has only been shown to use Necromancy which means as far as we know she can not resurrect anyone from her salon. 

      But Misty doesn't bring people back to life. Kyle and everyone else brought back is undead. If Misty actually broke people back truly alive then Zoe would have killed Kyle when she has sex with him.


      Marie controls the undead while Misty doesn't, isn't that the difference? People by Marie and Misty are simply reanimated corpses/cadavers correct?

      Kyle and Madison are not undead. Misty has the power of resurgence which is Resurrection. Zoe's power may not work with people who died once already, which Madison mentioned, but both Madison and Kyle are alive.  

      Marie reanimates the dead. When she does so the corpses mindlessly do her bidding. They have no sentience. 

      Misty, resurrects the dead. When she does so she has no control over them because they are not "reanimated" they are a live and sentient. 

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    • Marie Laveau turns the dead into puppets without any willpower or souls. That's your typical necromancy.

      Misty Day has the power to give back the life that was taken. That's resurrection which the show fancily calls resurgence.

      Also, why did you see the shooting as racist? Sure, white man shooting black women, whatever. It's the intent that matters, he didn't shoot them because they were black, he shot them because he blew a fuse about the voodoo tribe and Marie Laveau.

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    • So, did Marie teleport when she was being shot by Hank? 

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    • I'm pretty sure she teleported

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    • Hank's shooting was absolutely NOT racist. At all, whatsoever.

      Marie Laveau threatened to kill Hank if he didn't kill Cordelia and everyone at the academy. Despite everything he is and has done, he truly loves Cordelia. Thus, he chose to target Marie Laveau's coven instead and try to take her out so he would not have to kill Cordelia.

      I didn't even notice Marie teleporting until it was mentioned here. I thought it was simply some funky camera stuff. But it does appear she teleported a tiny way, but not enough to completely avoid Hank's bullet.

      However, speaking of racism, it's bitterly ironic that Delphine begins to show remorse for what she did and is deeply moved by the videos Queenie played for her just as the shooting occurred and Queenie -appears- to be dead. I hope that if Queenie managed to survive shooting herself through the head her and Delphine can become friends once again.

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    • Personally, I won't mind to see more Queenie and Delphine's head 's interactions. They both make the show hilarious. 

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    • PowderChanel wrote:
      So, did Marie teleport when she was being shot by Hank? 

      I'm thinking she just moved out of the way as fast as she could because the bullet hit her arm (she was holding it and her hand had blood on it when she raised it). If she had teleported wouldn't the bullet have missed?

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    • HeBrokeStevie wrote:
      PowderChanel wrote:
      So, did Marie teleport when she was being shot by Hank? 
      I'm thinking she just moved out of the way as fast as she could because the bullet hit her arm (she was holding it and her hand had blood on it when she raised it). If she had teleported wouldn't the bullet have missed?

      She teleported after being shot the first time. Hank shoots her and he is aiming in one direction, Marie suddenly disappears and you see hank aim his gun in the opposite direction, the direction in which Marie reappeared. 

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    • HeBrokeStevie wrote:

      PowderChanel wrote:
      So, did Marie teleport when she was being shot by Hank? 

      I'm thinking she just moved out of the way as fast as she could because the bullet hit her arm (she was holding it and her hand had blood on it when she raised it). If she had teleported wouldn't the bullet have missed?

      She for sure teleported.

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    • Then Hank is one hell of a bad shot, if she teleported wouldn't the bullet either hit her in the chest or head or 100% miss instead of hitting her arm?

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    • HeBrokeStevie wrote:
      Then Hank is one hell of a bad shot, if she teleported wouldn't the bullet either hit her in the chest or head or 100% miss instead of hitting her arm?

      It hit her in the left arm, and she ran to the left, meaning Hank would have had to shoot very far to the right (unlikely for a trained killer) to land the shot there. She definitely teleported because there is no way somebody could move what seemed like 10 feet in the blink of an eye. Maybe the way her teleportation works pulled the bullet in somehow (like Dobby getting stabbed by Bellatrix...still too soon) and it got her in the arm from some weird molecular rearrangement thing (like splinching), but either way she definitely, 100% for sure teleported.

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    • The gif set explains it all. 
      Marieshot1Hanks walks into back room as Marie enters.
      2He shoots once.
      3Marie Teleports to another corner in the room, You can see by the look on Hank's face that she did it through unconventional means. He then quickly redirects his gun to her new location.
      4Here we can see she was shot in the arm.

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    • 68.236.158.6 wrote:
      HeBrokeStevie wrote:
      Then Hank is one hell of a bad shot, if she teleported wouldn't the bullet either hit her in the chest or head or 100% miss instead of hitting her arm?
      It hit her in the left arm, and she ran to the left, meaning Hank would have had to shoot very far to the right (unlikely for a trained killer) to land the shot there. She definitely teleported because there is no way somebody could move what seemed like 10 feet in the blink of an eye. Maybe the way her teleportation works pulled the bullet in somehow (like Dobby getting stabbed by Bellatrix...still too soon) and it got her in the arm from some weird molecular rearrangement thing (like splinching), but either way she definitely, 100% for sure teleported.

      I like the way you use Harry Potter reference :) I was going to point out that scene with Dobby and Bellatrix, too. But I think my opinion has been stated. 

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    • BadlyBruisedMuse wrote:
      The gif set explains it all. 
      Marieshot1Hanks walks into back room as Marie enters.
      2He shoots once.

      3Marie Teleports to another corner in the room, You can see by the look on Hank's face that she did it through unconventional means. He then quickly redirects his gun to her new location.
      4Here we can see she was shot in the arm.

      You made all the gifs by yourself? Bravo. 

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    • The credit goes to Tumblr. =]  

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    • Thus far "Coven" has been pretty vague, at best, in the differences between the powers of the Salem Witches and the Voodoo Practitioners. It seems that Salem Witches derive most of their power from innate abilities and spells while Voodoo witches, Like Marie Laveau (our only example), are reliant on ritual magic. This was the assumption I had until I saw Laveau teleport in the most recent episode.

      Do the Voodoo "witches" have innate abilities as well? Or does the already mysterious and powerful Marie Laveau hold even more secrets?

      At the moment my biggest guess and personal head cannon is that Marie is the product of both Voodoo and Salem (European) Witchcraft. With just a little research, it can be discovered that the real Marie Laveau is the product of a biracial relationship. Using this information, I like to think that Marie's mother was a practicer of Voodoo while her father retained the genes of Salem/European witches. Perhaps this could explain why she teleported in a time of danger...

      If she is the product of a biracial pregnancy and one of two differing clans of magic her story could become more developed and her militant attitude towards the Salem Clans may be better understood, depending on how she feels about her “Salem genes.”

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    • PowderChanel wrote:
      Thus far "Coven" has been pretty vague, at best, in the differences between the powers of the Salem Witches and the Voodoo Practitioners. It seems that Salem Witches derive most of their power from innate abilities and spells while Voodoo witches, Like Marie Laveau (our only example), are reliant on ritual magic. This was the assumption I had until I saw Laveau teleport in the most recent episode.</p>

      Do the Voodoo "witches" have innate abilities as well? Or does the already mysterious and powerful Marie Laveau hold even more secrets?</p>

      At the moment my biggest guess and personal head cannon is that Marie is the product of both Voodoo and Salem (European) Witchcraft. With just a little research, it can be discovered that the real Marie Laveau is the product of a biracial relationship. Using this information, I like to think that Marie's mother was a practicer of Voodoo while her father retained the genes of Salem/European witches. Perhaps this could explain why she teleported in a time of danger...</p>

      >If she is the product of a biracial pregnancy and one of two differing clans of magic her story could become more developed and her militant attitude towards the Salem Clans may be better understood, depending on how she feels about her “Salem genes.”</p>

      You are mixing the shows flippant use of psychic powers and witchcraft with real world witchcraft. 

      In reality Telekinesis is not a power of Witchcraft. Witchcraft, like voodoo, is entirely dependent on spoken spells and rituals. real witches - I.e Wiccans and other pagans alike, do not make the claim nor have they ever made the claim that their powers are as blatant as the show or Hollywood is making it seem. This is also applies to Voodoo. 

      So with that said, there really is no context in which Telekinesis is a Witch thing and rituals are a Voodoo thing. The show is just throwing things together for the hell of it, probably because it's more interesting this way. Aside from teleporting Marie also used telekinesis in the 4th episode when opening her drawers to retrieve ingredients for a ritual, but this doesn't mean that she is part witch.

      Also witchcraft is not gender biased. Witches can be black, i.e Tituba. So Marie being biracial doesn't reveal anything.

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    • BadlyBruisedMuse wrote:
      PowderChanel wrote:

      Thus far "Coven" has been pretty vague, at best, in the differences between the powers of the Salem Witches and the Voodoo Practitioners. It seems that Salem Witches derive most of their power from innate abilities and spells while Voodoo witches, Like Marie Laveau (our only example), are reliant on ritual magic. This was the assumption I had until I saw Laveau teleport in the most recent episode.

      Do the Voodoo "witches" have innate abilities as well? Or does the already mysterious and powerful Marie Laveau hold even more secrets?

      At the moment my biggest guess and personal head cannon is that Marie is the product of both Voodoo and Salem (European) Witchcraft. With just a little research, it can be discovered that the real Marie Laveau is the product of a biracial relationship. Using this information, I like to think that Marie's mother was a practicer of Voodoo while her father retained the genes of Salem/European witches. Perhaps this could explain why she teleported in a time of danger...

      If she is the product of a biracial pregnancy and one of two differing clans of magic her story could become more developed and her militant attitude towards the Salem Clans may be better understood, depending on how she feels about her “Salem genes.”

      You are mixing the shows flippant use of psychic powers and witchcraft with real world witchcraft. 

      In reality Telekinesis is not power of Witchcraft. Witchcraft, like voodoo, is entirely dependent on spoken spells and rituals. real witches - I.e Wiccans and other pagans alike, do not make the claim nor have they ever made the claim that their powers are as blatant as the show or Hollywood is making it seem. This is also applies to Voodoo. 

      So with that said, there really is no context in which Telekinesis is a Witch thing and rituals are a Voodoo thing. The show is just throwing things together for the hell of it, probably because it's more interesting this way. Aside from teleporting Marie also used telekinesis is the 4th episode when opening her drawers to retrieve ingredients for a ritual, but this doesn't mean that she is part witch.

      Also witchcraft is not gender biased. Witched could be black, i.e Tituba. So Marie being biracial doesn't reveal anything.

      Well, I'm speaking based solely on the evidence that the show has presented us with, not real life. Obviously there aren't telekenetic women running around in the world who can set things aflame with their mind...again, I'm using the evidence presented by the show, it seems Marie only uses ritual magic, even with those drawers opening, she was in the middle of a ritual. Also, the show itself has made claims that Voodoo and Witchcraft have differences, for example when Marie says "Your witch and my voodoo" to Queenie.

      I never siad it was gender biased, nor did I say it was based on race. The reason I suggested her mother as being Voodoo is because of where her mother comes from...and for her to get European witch genes only her father would be left (considering it takes two to make a baby) and perhaps he was a witch or had the gene. 


      I'm hoping it is something along these lines...I'm tired of AHS never explaining things or providing reasons for some of their randomness...

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    • PowderChanel wrote:

      Well, I'm speaking based solely on the evidence that the show has presented us with, not real life. Obviously there aren't telekenetic women running around in the world who can set things aflame with their mind...again, I'm using the evidence presented by the show, it seems Marie only uses ritual magic, even with those drawers opening, she was in the middle of a ritual. Also, the show itself has made claims that Voodoo and Witchcraft have differences, for example when Marie says "Your witch and my voodoo" to Queenie.

      I never siad it was gender biased, nor did I say it was based on race. The reason I suggested her mother as being Voodoo is because of where her mother comes from...and for her to get European witch genes only her father would be left (considering it takes two to make a baby) and perhaps he was a witch or had the gene. 


      I'm hoping it is something along these lines...I'm tired of AHS never explaining things or providing reasons for some of their randomness...


      The show is throwing things together haphazardly. It's the "everything and the kitchen sink" characteristic of AHS. I think your theory is reaching pretty far out there. I say this because the show is making up a lot of things as it goes and you are trying to give it all meaning, which isn't wrong, but at the same time- the theory that Marie Laveau is part witch is  hard to stand by since the show hasn't at any point said that inherent powers are only a witch thing.  If there is a glaring difference between voodoo and witchcraft, aside from different cultures and religions, the show has not yet showed it. The differences that we have seen, in the show, is the way spells and magic is cast, but that's about it. 

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    • 68.236.158.6 wrote:
      HeBrokeStevie wrote:
      Then Hank is one hell of a bad shot, if she teleported wouldn't the bullet either hit her in the chest or head or 100% miss instead of hitting her arm?
      It hit her in the left arm, and she ran to the left, meaning Hank would have had to shoot very far to the right (unlikely for a trained killer) to land the shot there. She definitely teleported because there is no way somebody could move what seemed like 10 feet in the blink of an eye. Maybe the way her teleportation works pulled the bullet in somehow (like Dobby getting stabbed by Bellatrix...still too soon) and it got her in the arm from some weird molecular rearrangement thing (like splinching), but either way she definitely, 100% for sure teleported.

      Dobby got hit by the knive because Bellatrix was fast enough to hit him before they vanished, at least in the book. I don't remember how it was worked out in the movie.

      Anyway, looking at the gifs you're definitely right, I didn't notice it when I first watched the scene.

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    • The movie depics the scene just like the book. For Hank's case, the bullet was enough to hit Marie's hand before she teleported. 

      I'm excited to see Marie has innate power. 

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    • 160.10.220.41 wrote:
      BadlyBruisedMuse wrote:
      Ok to address you first comment about it coming off as racist. This season theme, one of them, is racism. I'm not going to say that Hank being white, was supposed to symbolize something in this case, nor do I understand why it would have been better if he was any other race, but what I will say is that the commentary on social disparity is on purpose, and it's for a reason. 

      Marie is called a Necromancer. 

      Misty is not - she has the power to bring people back to life she has not displayed the power to reanimate the dead and use them like puppets. 

      And that's a distinction. Necromancy is not the power to bring people back to life, it is the power to reanimate the dead, who are while being animated still dead, but are magically under the control of the Necromancer. 

      Resurrection, or resurgence, as the show calls it is the power to bring someone back to life and is not simply reanimating them and turning them into Puppets. 

      Marie has not been shown to have the ability to use resurgence, she has only been shown to use Necromancy which means as far as we know she can not resurrect anyone from her salon. 

      But Misty doesn't bring people back to life. Kyle and everyone else brought back is undead. If Misty actually broke people back truly alive then Zoe would have killed Kyle when she has sex with him.


      Marie controls the undead while Misty doesn't, isn't that the difference? People by Marie and Misty are simply reanimated corpses/cadavers correct?

      Thats couse Madison and Kyle stay die a lot of time the people that resurrect a few second later to die (Myrtle, Queenie and Joan) are completly normal 

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    • 160.10.220.41 wrote:

      But Misty doesn't bring people back to life. Kyle and everyone else brought back is undead. If Misty actually broke people back truly alive then Zoe would have killed Kyle when she has sex with him.


      Marie controls the undead while Misty doesn't, isn't that the difference? People by Marie and Misty are simply reanimated corpses/cadavers correct?

      Misty DOES bring people back to life, herself included. Kyle was not her work, for one, and for two, he's a bit messed up because the girls had to put him back together using different body parts (apparently much better now that Fiona helped him), but for all intents and purposes I think he's "alive". If he was just an undead either Madison or Zoe (who performed the ritual) would have control over him, but they do not, he has his own will.

      Madison is numb because she was dead for too long, but she's still very much alive. In her first episode of being alive once again, she claimed in her monologue that she couldn't feel anything, yet when Zoe and Kyle exchanged "I love you"s, she cried, so I think we can assume that the numbness is slowly going away and that she'll be back to normal eventually?

      Misty and Queenie were 100% fine after being brought back by a witch with the power of resurgence (Misty's for herself, Fiona's for Queenie).

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    • Marie no tiene poderes naturales como las brujas......... es fue un truco del show para el publico

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    • 190.73.106.41 wrote:
      Marie no tiene poderes naturales como las brujas......... es fue un truco del show para el publico

      Marie definitely teleported when Hank shot her. I didn't notice it at first but re-watching the scene made it obvious.

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