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  • The craigslist medium said that it is possible for ghosts to cross over to the other world. Well, how come everyone that has died hasn't crossed over? Like, I think Adelaide did, didn't she? Because she was never seen again. But, at the end of the season, Violet seemed to be at ease with no other buisness to take care of. She was completely aware that she died. She wasn't brutaly murdered. 

    In fact, almost everyone who died didn't cross over. The maid's mother got to. Remember, she said, "Come with me" and the maid said, "I can't mother!" well, why couldn't she? 

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    • Oh and also, Constance said that Violet could be the one to help Tate cross over, but what does that mean? What did she want Violet to do? The final episode just left too many open questions open.

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    • The house traps people, and they are not able to cross over. Ever. Adelaide didn't die on the property, and therefore is not subject to this.

      Also, Billie Dean is a fraud, and you shouldn't believe anything that she says just because Constance desperately does.

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    • I wouldn't say Billie Dean is a fraud...she obvioulsy has connections to the dead (i.e when she is talking with violet "seemingly" with telepathy). I do agree though, that she is far from knowing everything.

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    • I agree, Billie Dean seemed to have some actual connections to the dead...though, her abilities weren't as powerful as her or Constance liked to believe.

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    • Moiras bones firstly are buried on the ground - thats why she wanted the Armenian to put in a swimming pool - and if you follow supernatural then you could say for her to pass over she needs to have them burnt or reburied

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    • The last poster is correct I think. Yes, the house traps people. That's why Constance tried to drag Addie's body onto the boundary of the house when she found her, but Addie was already dead (Billie Dean later said Addie wanted Constance to know she was glad of this).

      But though it wasn't said in black and white, Moira did want the Armenian to put in a swimming pool (which would mean finding her corpse/bones) and when Ben buried Hayden's body in with her bones and then built the gazebo on top, Moira stood in the window crying and Constance said "now you're stuck here". This perhaps means that she could cross over if her bones were removed from the house's boundary.

      Of course this has holes, but I'm just pointing out some of the logic. The biggest hole is that certain ghosts were seen, whose corpses we know were removed from the property as well as those whose corpses would very likely have been removed from the property. Tate for instance, was killed in his house next door yet got trapped in the house and was killed by a swat team so his body would have been removed and buried elsewhere. The gay couple, their bodies were found by realtor so they would have been laid to rest elsewhere. The student nurses would have been removed as their bodies were obviously found. So yeah, big hole.

      Also something to remember is that not only were they not able to move on, but they weren't even able to leave the house and it's immediate surrounding area other than on Halloween. This is pointed out by the group of students Tate killed who said they had been waiting to get to him as he'd been "hiding out at his mother's house". Also Violet disappeared out of the car and into her room, but I think she chose to do that.

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    • Your post is pretty spot on. However, I'm pretty sure Tate was shot in the Murder House. 

      I think the reason the Moria was weeping when her bones were covered by the gazebo wasn't because of where her body was buried, but instead on whether or not she gained closure. When her mother asked her to "come wth her" Moria cried, saying she couldn't. I like to think it was due to her death continuing to be unsolved. 

      But, the Murder House still holds mysteries...making it all the more compelling to watch time and again!

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    • Yeah, I'm actually rewatching it now and I just realized that duh, Tate died in the Murder House because he was living there at the time, not next door.

      Interesting point about Moira. I'm still not sure if her comment to her mother was that she can't because, she can't bring herself to or because she actually, physically, can't.

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    • It doesn't matter if your remains are on property or not. Chad, Patrick, Hugo, Elizabeth, Charles, Nora, and Travis (and probably the nurses and Larry's family, not to mention Tate) all undoubtedly have their remains elsewhere. Moira can't move on until she is redeemed or vindicated.

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    • Yeah, rewatching the show I'm starting to get the feeling that Moira's biggest, if not only, motive behind wanting her corpse found was so Constance would be jailed.

      I still feel that the house prevents the ghosts from moving on though. Sure, a lot of them have "unfinished business", but certainly not all of them.

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    • Since we have no idea the origins of why the house is a ghost trap, we don't know if it even can be escaped. We haven't seen any successes yet.

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    • The Ghosts are "batteries" helping to keep the Evil that exists there bridged over into our reality. Most likely the same power is keeping the Frakenbaby alive and not dead. This evil is so strong that once it has a hold of the Souls of those who die on its area of effect, it leeches onto it and keeps it there. No one can leave except the manifistation of the House itself. (Tate- who left just long enough to get the suit from the trash)

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    • Interesting theory, up until the part where Tate is the house's "avatar". That seems unlikely in the extreme. Why choose Tate, 70 years after the house was built?

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    • Not sure where I heard it, or even if it's true, but I heard somewhere that wen Charles brought Thaddeus back to life, it made a rift in the "fabric of reality" that prevents all the others from leaving.

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    • FishTank wrote:
      Interesting theory, up until the part where Tate is the house's "avatar". That seems unlikely in the extreme. Why choose Tate, 70 years after the house was built?

      maybe it saw a potential in him. darkness, basically

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    • FishTank wrote:
      Since we have no idea the origins of why the house is a ghost trap, we don't know if it even can be escaped. We haven't seen any successes yet.

      a lot of people believe it's something to do with thaddeus and the house's origins

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    • Lyco499 wrote:
      Yeah, rewatching the show I'm starting to get the feeling that Moira's biggest, if not only, motive behind wanting her corpse found was so Constance would be jailed.

      I still feel that the house prevents the ghosts from moving on though. Sure, a lot of them have "unfinished business", but certainly not all of them.

      i think it's mostly themselves that keep them there, they all seem to have some kind of reason to stay, something they're stuck on, even if they don't know it themselves. or it's something to do with thaddeus.

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    • i think moira and nora are probably the ones most solidly held to the house.

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    • 24.109.179.154 wrote:
      Not sure where I heard it, or even if it's true, but I heard somewhere that wen Charles brought Thaddeus back to life, it made a rift in the "fabric of reality" that prevents all the others from leaving.

      same. apparently thaddeus and tate are both connected and conduits to the house. maybe that's why tate seemed to literally be 2 different people half the time.

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    • 69.23.60.103 wrote:
      The Ghosts are "batteries" helping to keep the Evil that exists there bridged over into our reality. Most likely the same power is keeping the Frakenbaby alive and not dead. This evil is so strong that once it has a hold of the Souls of those who die on its area of effect, it leeches onto it and keeps it there. No one can leave except the manifistation of the House itself. (Tate- who left just long enough to get the suit from the trash)

      holy shit tate would have left the boundaries to get the suit. i never thought of that. unless it was in the garden. i'll have to watch the scene of ben dumping it again.

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    • it's weird because if the stuff on the you're going to die in there website could be counted as canon, there were quite a few people who died in the house who didn't get trapped there. unless they just don't come out.

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    • 24.109.179.154 wrote: Not sure where I heard it, or even if it's true, but I heard somewhere that wen Charles brought Thaddeus back to life, it made a rift in the "fabric of reality" that prevents all the others from leaving.

      I have not heretofore heard that one. You'd think that'd be something that Production would make more clear.

      86.30.144.106 wrote:

      FishTank wrote:
      Since we have no idea the origins of why the house is a ghost trap, we don't know if it even can be escaped. We haven't seen any successes yet.

      a lot of people believe it's something to do with thaddeus and the house's origins

      Hmm. Who are these people, and can you convince them to contribute to this Wiki? :-)

      86.30.144.106 wrote: same. apparently thaddeus and tate are both connected and conduits to the house. maybe that's why tate seemed to literally be 2 different people half the time.

      That, or some might say bad acting and/or writing. *whistles Twisted Nerve back in the corner of the room and waits for the flame-war.*

      86.30.144.106 wrote: holy shit tate would have left the boundaries to get the suit. i never thought of that. unless it was in the garden. i'll have to watch the scene of ben dumping it again.

      No, he didn't. If the yard is part of the property, so is the trash can. That gate is just easier to lean against.

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    • FishTank wrote:

      86.30.144.106 wrote: holy shit tate would have left the boundaries to get the suit. i never thought of that. unless it was in the garden. i'll have to watch the scene of ben dumping it again.

      No, he didn't. If the yard is part of the property, so is the trash can. That gate is just easier to lean against.

      I'd guess the boundary of the house, or at least its power, can be worked out from where Constance dragged Addie's body after the accident. Good lord, it's times like this that I have to wonder about the amount of logic and reason I put into fictional worlds.

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    • Yes, this idea was adressed when Addy died and Constance tried to drag her body to the property Murder House stands on and then again while Larry and Moira are incompasitating Joe Escandarian, Constance says "Please remember to take him off the property before killing him, I don't want to see his sorry carcass around here." meaning if he dies there, he'll be trapped. There are other instances supporting the fact that if a character dies in the house or the land it stands on they will be trapped if they are not laid to rest correctly.

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      Are we not going to mention the fact that Tate went to the beach with Violet one night? The kids he murdered showed up asking him to admit what he did. How was he able to go to the beach? How did Moira go see her mom at the hospital? Violet couldn't leave, yet Tate could that one time. Hayden was also able to get in the cop car and drive off, but she disappeared shortly after.



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    • 24.22.179.245 wrote:
       
      Are we not going to mention the fact that Tate went to the beach with Violet one night? The kids he murdered showed up asking him to admit what he did. How was he able to go to the beach? How did Moira go see her mom at the hospital? Violet couldn't leave, yet Tate could that one time. Hayden was also able to get in the cop car and drive off, but she disappeared shortly after.



      They left on Halloween night.. the night that ghosts can walk the earth

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    • ehm... Tate died in the house. He died in the same room that Violet lived in. His mom started seeing Larry just to get in the house again. So when his wife killed herself with the kids Constance and her children moved in with him. Larry killed Beau because Constance didnt want him. When tate finds out he sets Larry on fire, but it doesnt kill him. And after that tate goes to the school and kills 15 people. He then returns home and waits for the cops to arive on his bed. He then gets shot in the chest by the swat team IN THE HOUSE. end of the story. :)

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    • A persons life force must be extinguished on the property for a soul to remain in the house. after that it doesnt matter what happens to the body. Just look at the black dahlia. As for "passing on" i think some hold on to the idea of it. and would still try. Moira mostly wanted her body to be found because she wanted justice for her murder. Constance was the prime suspect they just need a body and the case would be reopened. and then why not cling to the idea that maybe if it was solved and she had a reburial that she be able to go...though i seriously doubt it. also i like the whole "Thaddeus Origin thing" but i think he is just dead.its been years he wouldnt look any dif dead or alive. I mean he could have died a bit after Nora killed Charles and herself.before that she stabbed thaddeus with a letter opener( though she didn't succeed) he probably bled out.

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    • Fix a heart16 wrote:
      The craigslist medium said that it is possible for ghosts to cross over to the other world. Well, how come everyone that has died hasn't crossed over? Like, I think Adelaide did, didn't she? Because she was never seen again. But, at the end of the season, Violet seemed to be at ease with no other buisness to take care of. She was completely aware that she died. She wasn't brutaly murdered. 

      In fact, almost everyone who died didn't cross over. The maid's mother got to. Remember, she said, "Come with me" and the maid said, "I can't mother!" well, why couldn't she? 

      People who die in the house are bound to the house forever. There's a curse on it, they can't leave the house and they can't cross over either.

      Moira was killed by Constance in the house.

      Tate was killed by the cops in the house.

      Hayden was killed in the house (well, outside but still on the property).

      Violet committed suicide in the house.

      Ben committed suicide in the house.

      Vivian died in childbirth in the house.

      Her non-demonic baby was alive for barely a minute then died, therefore died in the house.

      Dr. Montgomery was killed by his wife in the house.

      Norah Montgomery killed herself in the house.

      The young actress was killed in the house by the dentist.

      The gay couple was killed in the house by Tate/Rubberman.

      The nurse and her mother were killed in the house.

      Constance's young boyfriend (can't remember his name) was killed in the house.

      Constance killed Beau in the house.

      When they killed the man who wanted to buy and destroy the house, Constance said to drag him out asap because she didn't want him to die in the house (she didn't want his spirit there forever).

      Moira's mother was in a hospital, not in the house; Moira left the house (on Halloween; at the end of the Haloween episode you see a lot of ghosts returning to the house, because this is the one night where they're free) to perform a mercy killing; her mother's spirit was free to go but not hers, because it was bound to the house.

      As for Addy, she was also not in the house, she got hit by a car in the street, and while Constance tried to drag her on the house's property so that she would die there and be bound to it like Beau and Tate, Addy died before she could succeed. Later on the medium hears Adelaide's voice and says that Addy is glad that she didn't die in the house, because she didn't want to be trapped there.

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    • Ben didn't commit suicide, he was killed by Hayden's ghost.

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    • I know that the dead can walk the earth on halloween (ie hayden in the cop car, tate at the beach, and moira visiting her mother) but how does tate meet dr.harmon in the park when dr.harmon says he doesn't want to see tate anymore at the house because of violet? 

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    • 172.1.91.101 wrote:
      I know that the dead can walk the earth on halloween (ie hayden in the cop car, tate at the beach, and moira visiting her mother) but how does tate meet dr.harmon in the park when dr.harmon says he doesn't want to see tate anymore at the house because of violet? 

      Yeah I was wondering about the same thing!

      I've two big questions about the seasons viability:

      - why did Moira age!!!? She died as a young woman so why in earth did the older version of her even exist...?

      - and why did moira want a baby to be born in the house? I thought while watching it that a born baby would release the ghosts but it did absolutely nothing. Why...?:(

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    • 172.1.91.101 wrote:
      I know that the dead can walk the earth on halloween (ie hayden in the cop car, tate at the beach, and moira visiting her mother) but how does tate meet dr.harmon in the park when dr.harmon says he doesn't want to see tate anymore at the house because of violet? 

      It was Halloween. The exception to the rule.

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    • 81.99.94.126 wrote:

      - why did Moira age!!!? She died as a young woman so why in earth did the older version of her even exist...?

      - and why did moira want a baby to be born in the house? I thought while watching it that a born baby would release the ghosts but it did absolutely nothing. Why...?:(

      Moira didn't "age". She presented herself differently to other people. We can assume that she chose that form, but we don't know the mechanics of how or why. Nor are we likely to find out.

      I think you're implying a motive for Moira where there isn't one.

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    • FishTank wrote:

      81.99.94.126 wrote:

      - why did Moira age!!!? She died as a young woman so why in earth did the older version of her even exist...?

      - and why did moira want a baby to be born in the house? I thought while watching it that a born baby would release the ghosts but it did absolutely nothing. Why...?:(

      Moira didn't "age". She presented herself differently to other people. We can assume that she chose that form, but we don't know the mechanics of how or why. Nor are we likely to find out.

      I think you're implying a motive for Moira where there isn't one.

      Moira says in the episode where the husband gets caught shaking her, that Men will see what they want and women will see the true parts of a soul. 

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    • I know it's a bit late, but how come Moira can't just tell the police there's a dead body under the gazeebo (hers) and be free?

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    • Constance killed her husband in the house how come you never see him walking around the house?

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    • Constance disposed of his body by dismembering it and fed dogs with it if I remember correctly. Since the corpse was no longer on the perimeter of the House, his ghost was not tethered to it.

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    • Disposing of the body does not preclude one from being a ghost. In fact, Hugo Langdon is wandering around the house, and is Hayden McClaine's lover.

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    • Cutupuss wrote: I know it's a bit late, but how come Moira can't just tell the police there's a dead body under the gazeebo (hers) and be free?

      Because that won't make her free. It's certain that the Harmons' bodies aren't inside the house.

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